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Post by HF on Jun 13, 2024 10:35:43 GMT -8
Most of the athletes that were selected for ODP Zone Championship teams for CST were from the Westlake/Thousand Oaks/ Camarillo,/Ventura area. Very few from other teams only a few Trojan, LB or SBU, TSM, etc. A lot of top players were not event selected for NTSC, even those that were on the national team the previous year. Those coaches from that area want to promote their players(Pride, CIU, South Coast) as opposed to other clubs in the zone. It appears those coaches want to keep other players down, so they can their players rise and others fall. The zone coaches are not supposed to be from that zone, which in my opinion eliminates that bias so the teams are comprised of the best players from the zone. My understanding of the ODP program is to develop players and teams should be comprised of the best players regardless of the club or school they play for, which is not the case in the coastal zone.
The current situation does not allow for that, in fact many top players don't participate in ODP anymore or have never participated because if they are not from one of those teams they have no chance. I have heard this from many, many parents of top players.
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Post by rolled on Jun 13, 2024 11:26:11 GMT -8
Are you referring to boys or girls? Dev, Cadet or youth? Youth is always bleak. I know many kids who played dev and cadet, never made NTSC. All great players, committed to D1 schools, why play ODP in Chicago, they would rather save the money and the time. The only kids who have to do it are the ones who want to stay in the academy program.
Yes, it is biased, are great players being overlooked? Maybe, but mostly just good players getting aced out by good players. If you are great, you will get in over the bias if you are only good, good luck.
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Post by gibson14 on Jun 13, 2024 14:47:57 GMT -8
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Post by Admin on Jun 13, 2024 15:22:11 GMT -8
I've updated the settings to prevent guests from posting. Posters must be logged in from now on. The OP may or may not return. This isn't obviously a shit-post, so it will remain.
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Post by gibson14 on Jun 25, 2024 9:05:03 GMT -8
Well, the boys did pretty well in Malta. I didn't see much of some of the kids. It'd be interesting to see all the stats.
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Post by rolled on Jun 25, 2024 9:40:19 GMT -8
Gosh, against Spain, they looked bad the first half. Lots of selfish play but the looked good at other times. So many exclusions in the tournament. I don't think the kids are used to the refs being up higher on the boxes. They can see a lot more of what is going on under water. Takes a special type of player to adapt to that.
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Post by mellowmarco on Jun 30, 2024 18:03:56 GMT -8
Both are worth knowing, Grayson Taylor especially. Grayson is the younger brother of 6'8" Jett Taylor. Grayson, as an 11u, was a starter on the undefeated 2021 12u Del Mar team. The next year, Grayson led 12u Del Mar to a national championship and was the Session I 12u MVP. There is a really good chance he's about to do that again as a 14u this year. However, it was likely Grayson's performance as part of Team USA at U15 Pan Am Games right before they started building the Cadet National Team that landed him on the roster. I do not believe Team USA played a second half against anyone at the Pan Am games. They mercy-ruled every opponent. Sungwon Shin is part of that same team, and at the U15 Pan Am Games he was the fifth leading scorer in the entire tournament, which is impressive when you keep in mind they mercy-ruled everyone so only had half the number of game minutes as all of their competition. |
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Post by mellowmarco on Jul 10, 2024 7:12:21 GMT -8
One aspect of ODP that I found deeply disappointing was not publishing the names of the kids who were selected out of NTSC into the Development, Cadet, and Youth teams. In 2022, the Development, Cadet, and Youth Pipeline teams were announced in April. Last year the teams were announced in June. This year they didn’t do it at all. Even right now, if you go to USAWP.com, to ODP pages you can see who was invited to NTSC but not who was selected out of NTSC, and if you go to the National Team pages you’ll see announcements from 2023. All of this is information USAWP has but they never bothered to put it where anyone can see it.
The parents pay a good amount of money and the kids work really hard. It is nice to be able to point to something on the USAWP site to show off their accomplishment to relatives, friends, potential schools, etc. I think it was rotten that USA Water Polo didn’t do that for the 2024 ODP kids.
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