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Post by Admin on Jun 5, 2024 9:07:28 GMT -8
At the risk of starting a firestorm, but with the intention of containing this subject, please post your gripes, complaints, defenses, etc. of teams rostering international players to this thread. Let's not contaminate other discussions with the perennial debate.
I'm doing this because it's already coming up. Personally, I don't mind the discussion. People have views and think it's a material topic for youth water polo. This is a message board, and debate is part of the purpose.
This doesn't prevent mentioning it in other threads, but let's debate the merits here. People who want to avoid the subject can choose to not read this thread.
This may not be possible, but I guy can dream.
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Post by rolled on Jun 5, 2024 10:55:46 GMT -8
With the new 2 per club per age group rule, I don't think we will be bombarded with complaints this year. kudos to USAWP for limiting it. last year there were almost complete foreign teams. Now foreign kids are having to offer up themselves as single or double mercenaries, but no more packs of 5-6.
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Post by Zad on Jun 5, 2024 12:36:09 GMT -8
Here is the language regarding the rosters:
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Post by polofan on Jun 16, 2024 5:34:52 GMT -8
Looks like SF Polo had at least one new international and also 3-4 Del Mar players at JO Quals.
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Post by gibson14 on Jun 16, 2024 7:51:58 GMT -8
What does that mean? Del Mar players have moved to SanFran?
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Post by gibson14 on Jun 16, 2024 8:54:13 GMT -8
I believe that SF was guilty of roster infractions last year. I guess that haven't been punished.
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Post by polopop32 on Jun 18, 2024 18:44:37 GMT -8
Was at 2 different So Cal quals and heard, and was peripherally involved in, 12u and 14u age parents conversations that their clubs (mid tier...not top clubs) will bring international kids and have them play under the names of B team kids that were rostered to A team for quals...will just update pictures. The rationale was that USAWP does not have the resources to truly track or monitor any of this and all of their rules are just deterrents but have no teeth... Interesting way to play with fire...
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Post by Zad on Jun 18, 2024 19:45:22 GMT -8
Was at 2 different So Cal quals and heard, and was peripherally involved in, 12u and 14u age parents conversations that their clubs (mid tier...not top clubs) will bring international kids and have them play under the names of B team kids that were rostered to A team for quals...will just update pictures. The rationale was that USAWP does not have the resources to truly track or monitor any of this and all of their rules are just deterrents but have no teeth... Interesting way to play with fire... WTF!?! Ban all kids on a team caught doing this. Maybe that will tamp down on parents cavalier attitude toward the rules.
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Post by Zad on Jun 18, 2024 20:28:05 GMT -8
This pisses me off. For what purpose does a 12u team bring in international players?
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Post by tobybo on Jun 19, 2024 11:02:57 GMT -8
I really hope this isn’t true..if parents are openly discussing cheating I would hope those clubs were at least identified
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Post by polosteve225 on Jun 24, 2024 10:53:57 GMT -8
Was at 2 different So Cal quals and heard, and was peripherally involved in, 12u and 14u age parents conversations that their clubs (mid tier...not top clubs) will bring international kids and have them play under the names of B team kids that were rostered to A team for quals...will just update pictures. The rationale was that USAWP does not have the resources to truly track or monitor any of this and all of their rules are just deterrents but have no teeth... Interesting way to play with fire... Really hope you’ll at least let USAWP know so they can keep a close eye on rosters for those clubs. Honestly, 12u and 14u have some very well-established top teams so there will be pretty intense scrutiny on any teams who magically rise from mediocrity to reach the top at JO’s. And…. lastly… what a sad commentary on any clubs, coaches, parents, and even athletes who would go along with this, if true. Let’s hope there are some whistleblowers with an ounce of integrity out there who will report. report@usawaterpolo.org
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Post by rolled on Jun 25, 2024 9:37:37 GMT -8
It is going to be an interesting JO's for sure. I wonder if anyone will be caught and kicked out of JO's. would be a real bummer for the rest of the kids on the roster to get the boot because a club wants to bring in a foreigner who to help win a couple more games.
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Post by gibson14 on Jun 25, 2024 10:44:05 GMT -8
I don't think it's a bummer for them at all. If they and their parents are a part of cheating, they should get punished.
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Post by rolled on Jun 25, 2024 10:55:19 GMT -8
IF they knew about it and the consequences and said nothing, no bummer.
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Post by gibson14 on Jun 25, 2024 16:14:09 GMT -8
They will know that some of their old teammates are now mysteriously international players with the same name.
So, parents, it's on you.
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